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       "You hesitate between two standards."\
       "Rank Xerox doesn't."
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-  comments:
-  - author: Kyle Count (New Hampshire, USA)
-    date: Sunday 9th April 2023
-    text: We had one of these when I was a kid growing up. Don''t remember much, except the keyboard that came with it was awful! Very, very flat, mushy keys...
-  - author: Jay (Washington State USA)
-    date: Tuesday 22nd September 2020
-    text: |-
-      I am looking for one of these at a cheap price, I will pay up to 100$ including shipping if I have to pay for it\
-      Email is jaya.buckwheat@gmail.com
-  - author: Colin Barker (United Kingdom)
-    date: Sunday 17th November 2019
-    text: As a working technology journalist I got a 16/8 to test and then write about. The ability to be able to swap between MSDOS and CP/M at will was great. It as an elegant system and came with a cool Xerox printer. I gave it an OK review but argued that people would use either CP/M or MSDOS but not both. The nice people at Xerox never asked for it back so I wrote all my copy on it for the next four years - lucky me!
-  - author: James Bell (Austin, Texas)
-    date: Sunday 23rd July 2017
-    text: |-
-      Worked for Balcones Computer Corporation with Robert Burns (the MicroManiac) and brother Jay Bell.\
-      Balcones Consulted for Xerox and took the Xerox 820 from I to Xerox 820-II. If you look through the BIOS code documentation you''ll see references to Balcones. Balcones drove adding the expansion connector and developed the 16/8 CPU card for Xerox. The expansion chassis used a WD1002 controller to interface the external floppy and hard disk (same type of controller used in the Kaypro 10)...both Kaypro and Xerox 820 were derived from the "Big Board". Our first prototypes of the 16/8 CPU card was created using a "multiwire" connection method, but production versions were multilayer printed circuit boards. I still have at least one of the multiwire prototypes. Jay Bell always said that the weak link in the 8086 card design was the use of many PAL chips whose timing did not always meet spec and thus created an instability sometimes.\
-      Balcones also sold their Accounting System (The Boss System) which was sold by Xerox and Rank Xerox worldwide. A lawsuit relating to Xerox royalties for various projects ended up taking Balcones down. Many of Balcones employees transitioned to PC''s Ltd (later called Dell) where Jay Bell and Robert Burns designed the first 286 system for PC''s Ltd which was Michael Dell''s first in house Computer design.
-  - author: Pete Martin (UK)
-    date: Saturday 30th May 2015
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-      I worked for Xerox in the UK during the eighties and sold loads of the 820 and 16 / 8 machines. The way the 16 bit part worked was to convert everything to 8 bit, do the processing, and convert it back. I remember a customer buying 820''s and later on the PA wanting her own machine, so I sold her a 16 / 8 with 16 bit programs. Compared with the 8 bit systems it ran at half the speed!\
-      The main advantage of the Xerox system was the software, which in reality was the predecessor of microsoft office - spreadsheets, word processing, database. It was this that customers bought - the actual computer was mostly irrelevant - as long as it was reliable.\
-      The 16 / 8 was due to be replaced with the a new computer which was a re-branded Olivetti, code named M24 I think. I remember being on a course training on it and it was fabulous. At the end of the course HQ sent word out that it had been cancelled! It was thought that desktop computers were the wrong direction to take.\
-      Xerox invented the mouse, laser printers, network software, office software, and much more 15 years before anyone else and totally failed to see the potential!
-  - author: Arun Baheti (Los Angeles, CA, USA)
-    date: Wednesday 23rd October 2013
-    text: I still miss my 16/8. The low profile keyboard is still the best I''ve ever used. I ran a BBS for several years, and used mine all the way through college (I started with an 820-I, upgraded the board to -II, then to 16/8, all with 8" drives and rigid drive, and eventually to the slimmed down 16/8 which was 5.25"). I had some add-on hardware such as a mouse and Ethernet adapter "box" that was nearly the size of the slim-16/8 main box. The machine taught me everything about computers, networking, and programming. Reliable and sturdy, a real friend. I still have the original manuals, tech manuals, and boxes of disks that I couldn''t bring myself to part with. $Arun Baheti
-  - author: enrico lazzerini (pisa (italy))
-    date: Sunday 28th April 2013
-    text: 'i was studying xerox 820-II interface cards, so i met xerox 16/8 description in my italian language with those important pictures of the EM. These are here : http://www.1000bit.it/support/articoli/xerox/xerox16_8.pdf it would be so nice to find almost its schematics on Internet. Regards Enrico - Pisa (Italy)'
-  - author: Joe K
-    date: Saturday 3rd July 2010
-    text: 16/8 got me through college, though I almost missed deadline on a final when my diabolo 630 crashed with only 20 minutes before the deadline. Got it up and running 10 minutes before the deadline but had to print 11 pages - and it printed a page per minute! Ran in with my paper 5 minutes after the deadline, but the proctors let it slide!
-  - author: Mnem (Canada)
-    date: Friday 16th December 2005
-    text: Heh, I always wondered which system these disk drives matched. I have two of the external dual-8" floppy units. They're heavy as heck, but they make good foot stools.
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